mail problem -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org> Hello Jacques, I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through. Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply? In any case, here are my previous two messages: Let me know, Scully-Robert "Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent: << Bonjour Jacques and others, In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy. This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this. Truly, Scully-Robert Groome>>
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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Bonjour Aviva, (I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.) Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate. Best regards, Scully Robert
On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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Bonjour Scully Robert, Oui to all. I will make myself available to a time that works for you. I am inviting others with an ok from Jacques Siboni. Aviva On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 9:43?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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Robert your mail did reach us, I have to solve this lack of acknowledgment We can definitely increase the size of the list as it is a major problem in your country (and Germany and other countries) all the best Jacques On 9/29/25 4:48 PM, Aviva Euripides wrote:
Bonjour Scully Robert, Oui to all. I will make myself available to a time that works for you.? I am inviting others with an ok from Jacques Siboni. Aviva
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 9:43?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I? already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
> On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Scully-Robert, > We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. > Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. > Aviva > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: > mail problem > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject:? ? ? ? test 123 > Date:? ?Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 > From:? ?Tate <tate at netwood.net> > To:? ? ?Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org> > > > > Hello Jacques, > > > I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my > INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through. > > Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. > Do I need to push something besides reply? > > In any case, here are my previous two messages: > > Let me know, > > Scully-Robert > > > > "Hello all, > Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot > went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. > I will copy-paste what I had already sent: > > > << Bonjour Jacques and others, > > In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check > whether the email invitation works. > It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. > The question of what is required to work under the title of > psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, > policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy. > > This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. > Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to > address this. > > Truly, > > Scully-Robert Groome>> > > > > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst
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Hi Jacques, Is there a way to consider the sender of the email also a recipient of the same email (instead of being sent an automated confirmation response that the sent email was received by the listserve?). In other words, instead of being sent a received receipt for this email, I would simply see it as an incoming listserv email. This could avoid the questions as to whether or not an email went through and also would eliminate having to delete the confirmation mail since no actual content is there (so extra step/task). Just some ideas to consider as you search for the solution, Kristopher On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 6:50?AM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Robert your mail did reach us, I have to solve this lack of acknowledgment
We can definitely increase the size of the list as it is a major problem in your country (and Germany and other countries)
all the best
Jacques
On 9/29/25 4:48 PM, Aviva Euripides wrote:
Bonjour Scully Robert, Oui to all. I will make myself available to a time that works for you. I am inviting others with an ok from Jacques Siboni. Aviva
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 9:43?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
> On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Scully-Robert, > We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. > Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. > Aviva > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: > mail problem > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: test 123 > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 > From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> > To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org> > > > > Hello Jacques, > > > I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my > INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through. > > Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. > Do I need to push something besides reply? > > In any case, here are my previous two messages: > > Let me know, > > Scully-Robert > > > > "Hello all, > Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot > went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. > I will copy-paste what I had already sent: > > > << Bonjour Jacques and others, > > In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check > whether the email invitation works. > It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. > The question of what is required to work under the title of > psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, > policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy. > > This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. > Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to > address this. > > Truly, > > Scully-Robert Groome>> > > > > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst
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Oui the more the merrier To clarify I am open to all time possibilities to include everyone I just mean that if someone unfamiliar to us wants to join I myself will defer to Jacques. You can see below how I point to the specifics of my work at this time. I do not work as a psychotherapist and have no interest in psychology-I do operate under my license for financial reasons. I am hopeful that the specification of Lutecium will gain some interest towards our website, work and plus de jouir in general. Next, I will make some Lutecium tee shirts and merch (merchandise), just kidding! *Aviva Euripides* LMFT, Topologos Lutecium Domain 415-301-5219 avivaeuripides1 at gmail.com On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 6:44?AM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Robert your mail did reach us, I have to solve this lack of acknowledgment
We can definitely increase the size of the list as it is a major problem in your country (and Germany and other countries)
all the best
Jacques
On 9/29/25 4:48 PM, Aviva Euripides wrote:
Bonjour Scully Robert, Oui to all. I will make myself available to a time that works for you. I am inviting others with an ok from Jacques Siboni. Aviva
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 9:43?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
> On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Scully-Robert, > We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. > Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. > Aviva > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: > mail problem > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: test 123 > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 > From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> > To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org> > > > > Hello Jacques, > > > I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my > INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through. > > Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. > Do I need to push something besides reply? > > In any case, here are my previous two messages: > > Let me know, > > Scully-Robert > > > > "Hello all, > Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot > went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. > I will copy-paste what I had already sent: > > > << Bonjour Jacques and others, > > In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check > whether the email invitation works. > It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. > The question of what is required to work under the title of > psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, > policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy. > > This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. > Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to > address this. > > Truly, > > Scully-Robert Groome>> > > > > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst > -- > The-lacanalyst mailing list > The-lacanalyst at lutecium.org > https://lutecium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/the-lacanalyst
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FYI: Discussing whether or not one can put up a shingle and start offering psychoanalysis without the specifics-state license to provide mental health services is futile for me since it's been a conversation that I have been involved in here since 1993. Just to remind everyone - each state issues these licenses and there is no one national licensure entity. So - personally, this is a futile conversation for me since nothing took place in the US that has changed this conversation. And - we can not talk about it as in "the US," but in each individual state. No interest on my part to contribute to this. It will continue to be each and every person's individual choice to practice or not (and either way, I recommend a good lawyer. I have liability insurance because this isn't the EU, this is the wild west). I am somewhat interested in a conversation about why American Psychoanalytic Circles continue to reject Lacan as a viable clinical approach and is there something to be done about this, why variable session is foreign and unacceptable to Americans (even though the 50 / 60 min is a self-imposed standard in all mental health), and how to possibly reconcile the risks when stepping outside of the "bureaucratic" lines that limits the freedoms of mental health practice (of any kind) in the US. Happy to engage in that seide of this conversation (in whatever format / forum it makes sense with this group(ing) of folks and interests. So - for example, Aviva, you should have no issue calling yourself a psychoanalyst, but I would be curious how you / anyone would handle variable length sessions as an LMFT(or licensed whatever...). Also - I can't make Thursday mornings for as long as I work for USC (and since over 60 people are involved in these meetings, it is unlikely to be moved to a different time anytime soon). Keeping an eye on other times, though. Cheers Kristopher On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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Thank you Kristopher, The insurance companies dont know, care about or understand what I do since I document in their language and produce a profit for them. My patients do have an understanding , I have about 5 analysands now in insurance based practice and one in private practice. I have talked about the cut with several patients. I cannot use it or afford it in insurance based work. I am going to try in private practice when it seems like good clinical treatment. I think the patient will return for the next meeting. Aviva On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 1:47?PM Kristopher Lichtanski, PhD, LMHCA via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
FYI: Discussing whether or not one can put up a shingle and start offering psychoanalysis without the specifics-state license to provide mental health services is futile for me since it's been a conversation that I have been involved in here since 1993. Just to remind everyone - each state issues these licenses and there is no one national licensure entity. So - personally, this is a futile conversation for me since nothing took place in the US that has changed this conversation. And - we can not talk about it as in "the US," but in each individual state. No interest on my part to contribute to this. It will continue to be each and every person's individual choice to practice or not (and either way, I recommend a good lawyer. I have liability insurance because this isn't the EU, this is the wild west).
I am somewhat interested in a conversation about why American Psychoanalytic Circles continue to reject Lacan as a viable clinical approach and is there something to be done about this, why variable session is foreign and unacceptable to Americans (even though the 50 / 60 min is a self-imposed standard in all mental health), and how to possibly reconcile the risks when stepping outside of the "bureaucratic" lines that limits the freedoms of mental health practice (of any kind) in the US. Happy to engage in that seide of this conversation (in whatever format / forum it makes sense with this group(ing) of folks and interests. So - for example, Aviva, you should have no issue calling yourself a psychoanalyst, but I would be curious how you / anyone would handle variable length sessions as an LMFT(or licensed whatever...).
Also - I can't make Thursday mornings for as long as I work for USC (and since over 60 people are involved in these meetings, it is unlikely to be moved to a different time anytime soon). Keeping an eye on other times, though.
Cheers Kristopher
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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Thanks Aviva. I don't do insurance at all (private pay only), so this allows me a lot more freedom to work it all out with my patients directly as they would be the only ones filing any complaints that would trigger any investigation (assuming all my services are otherwise equally available to everyone). I also have a job that pays for my healthcare (it would be a few thousand dollars for the two of us otherwise), so I can afford to "do what I want" in my own clinic. It is at once a compromise and a privilege, and gives me what I want... Jacques - jokingly.... if you could only move the seminar from Thursday to Monday, Wednesday, or Friday (at the same time), my life would be in a full revolution on "my Mobious strip" from the last time I had the pleasure to take a lecture from you to right now :-) Until then... my return is imprecise... LOL... Best, Kristopher On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 1:58?PM Aviva Euripides <euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Kristopher,
The insurance companies dont know, care about or understand what I do since I document in their language and produce a profit for them.
My patients do have an understanding , I have about 5 analysands now in insurance based practice and one in private practice.
I have talked about the cut with several patients. I cannot use it or afford it in insurance based work. I am going to try in private practice when it seems like good clinical treatment. I think the patient will return for the next meeting.
Aviva
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025, 1:47?PM Kristopher Lichtanski, PhD, LMHCA via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
FYI: Discussing whether or not one can put up a shingle and start offering psychoanalysis without the specifics-state license to provide mental health services is futile for me since it's been a conversation that I have been involved in here since 1993. Just to remind everyone - each state issues these licenses and there is no one national licensure entity. So - personally, this is a futile conversation for me since nothing took place in the US that has changed this conversation. And - we can not talk about it as in "the US," but in each individual state. No interest on my part to contribute to this. It will continue to be each and every person's individual choice to practice or not (and either way, I recommend a good lawyer. I have liability insurance because this isn't the EU, this is the wild west).
I am somewhat interested in a conversation about why American Psychoanalytic Circles continue to reject Lacan as a viable clinical approach and is there something to be done about this, why variable session is foreign and unacceptable to Americans (even though the 50 / 60 min is a self-imposed standard in all mental health), and how to possibly reconcile the risks when stepping outside of the "bureaucratic" lines that limits the freedoms of mental health practice (of any kind) in the US. Happy to engage in that seide of this conversation (in whatever format / forum it makes sense with this group(ing) of folks and interests. So - for example, Aviva, you should have no issue calling yourself a psychoanalyst, but I would be curious how you / anyone would handle variable length sessions as an LMFT(or licensed whatever...).
Also - I can't make Thursday mornings for as long as I work for USC (and since over 60 people are involved in these meetings, it is unlikely to be moved to a different time anytime soon). Keeping an eye on other times, though.
Cheers Kristopher
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:52?AM Tate via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
Bonjour Aviva,
(I will assume that you and the group are receiving this email, while it is only myself that is not receiving a copy of the responses. I am also sending a CC duplicate to Jacques to make sure.)
Unfortunately, I already have a meeting this week at this time on Thursday. Also, I would propose, if you and your colleagues find it appropriate, to invite a few others besides myself to attend, as this psychoanalysis title question in the US is recurrent. In any case, I can envisage some kind of meeting in the weeks to come to address this question. Please let me know if this email was received, possible meeting times, and if you are open to inviting others to listen/participate.
Best regards,
Scully Robert
On Sep 29, 2025, at 6:54?AM, Aviva Euripides < euripides.aviva at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scully-Robert, We are meeting this Thursday at 7 am PDT. Let me know if you would like the Zoom link. Aviva
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 11:35?PM Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst < the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote: mail problem
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: test 123 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:44:53 -0700 From: Tate <tate at netwood.net> To: Jacques Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
Hello Jacques,
I have pushed reply now twice to the emails from the Lutecium list in my INBOX, and they do not seem to be getting through.
Instead, it seems they are coming back to my address and CCing me also. Do I need to push something besides reply?
In any case, here are my previous two messages:
Let me know,
Scully-Robert
"Hello all, Well, I sent out a previous email and it seems it did not go through ot went to the wrong mailbox. Let me know if this goes through. I will copy-paste what I had already sent:
<< Bonjour Jacques and others,
In this initial probe, I am sending out a brief post just to check whether the email invitation works. It was a pleasure to meet again in Paris for the homage to Jean-Michel. The question of what is required to work under the title of psychoanalyst should be gone through carefully, not mistaking, for example, policy with statutory law, or psychoanalysis with psychoanalytic therapy.
This much said, I am not so sure email is the right forum. Let me know if this goes through, how, and when you would care to address this.
Truly,
Scully-Robert Groome>>
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