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From: quinnfoerch at gmail.com (Quinn Foerch)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 09:10:39 -0500
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] Test
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Test
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From jacsib at lutecium.org  Wed Nov  5 14:12:05 2025
From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 14:12:05 +0000
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] test test
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xxx




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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 06:14:31 -0800
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 09:10:39 -0500
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] Test
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Test
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From jacsib at lutecium.org  Wed Nov  5 14:12:05 2025
From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 14:12:05 +0000
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] test test
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xxx




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From: euripides.aviva at gmail.com (Aviva Euripides)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 06:14:31 -0800
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From jacsib at lutecium.org  Thu Nov  6 06:32:22 2025
From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 06:32:22 +0000
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] Fwd: Response to the Meeting on the title of the
 Analyst (11.5.25)
In-Reply-To: <DAC4C4F7-5CA0-4BEE-97F9-F308312AF413@netwood.net>
References: <DAC4C4F7-5CA0-4BEE-97F9-F308312AF413@netwood.net>
Message-ID: <b876a365-73dd-4e43-af67-7b45fc72a377@lutecium.org>

Hi Robert

(BTW how do you want to be called Robert? Scully? Tate?)

Thanks for the link to your paper, here are fast comments.

There is actually a major difference between France (and some other
latin countries) and the USA (and the UK).

France's law is inspired by the Roman law and the Code Napol?on; US' law
is inspired by the Common Law. The consequences are that US is using
an accusation model and France an inquisition model. In the US I can
accuse you of a fraud and go to trial (that's why PIs are so common
in the US); in France I cannot accuse you of a fraud, I believe I have
suffered of a fraud by you and therefore I transmit this belief as a
complaint to the
equivalent of your DA "le procureur de la R?publique", then he is the one
who will ask the police department to conduct an inquiry (Officier de
police judiciaire). Then he will decide, looking at the conclusions of
the police what to do with the complaint.

Now how does this impact the praxis of psychoanalysis in these two
countries? In the US it is pretty easy to accuse you of a misconduct
as long as I have the money to hire the services of a PI. In France
the procureur will first evaluate if the complaint is private or public.

If I am the client of a psychologist the procureur will check if my
psychologist has the legal right to practice his psychotherapy (diploma
and so on). If I am the analysand of a psychoanalyst the procureur will
automatically decide that this is a PRIVATE matter and that he has no
right to intervene.

Suppose I submit the following complaint; my wife dumped a piece of 
furniture
I loved without asking this first, If I submit this complaint to the
procureur he will dump the complaint! This is the same for psychoanalysis.
I heard a judge explaining that in the course of a divorce the couple
wanted the judge to decide of the rhythm of lodging for the dog! A dog
is part of the furniture it's private.

To conclude when we put forward the concept and signifier of lacanalysis
we expect to be as close as possible as this official practice of
psychoanalysis in France. Some kind of private practice.

Le psychanalyste ne s'autorise que de lui-m?me et de quelques autres.
Psychoanalyst receives authorization from himself and from a few others
(his analysands)

To the best

Jacques



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Response to the Meeting on the title of the Analyst (11.5.25)
Date: 	Wed, 5 Nov 2025 20:46:14 -0800
From: 	Tate <tate at netwood.net>
To: 	Jacques B. Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>



Dear Folks,

Being inspired by the brief discussion this early morning, I reopened a 
few parentheses on
the /Freudian Thing /in the U.S. and France that I had been writing on:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JNeYzuHTk-TaBiy3W-MbWX7vjy6Vgb17XcKNAu6ef7k/edit?usp=sharing

Anyone who cares to view or comment, the doc is open.

Truly

ScullyR.G.



From tate at netwood.net  Thu Nov  6 17:04:36 2025
From: tate at netwood.net (Tate)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 09:04:36 -0800
Subject: [The-Lacanalyst] Response to the Meeting on the title of the
 Analyst (11.5.25)
In-Reply-To: <b876a365-73dd-4e43-af67-7b45fc72a377@lutecium.org>
References: <DAC4C4F7-5CA0-4BEE-97F9-F308312AF413@netwood.net>
 <b876a365-73dd-4e43-af67-7b45fc72a377@lutecium.org>
Message-ID: <5B1190D5-7489-4C83-A934-5A648BFA82AF@netwood.net>

Dear Folks,

After the brief discussion yesterday morning, I reopened a few parentheses on
the  Freudian Thing in the U.S. and France. A paper I had been writing on for a
U.S. audience

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JNeYzuHTk-TaBiy3W-MbWX7vjy6Vgb17XcKNAu6ef7k/edit?usp=sharing

Anyone who cares to view or comment, the doc is open. I have also included Jacques response below.

Truly

Scully Robert G.

Ps -In response to Jacques' question below and for future reference:
 my first and family name is in the process of changing, from Robert to Scully Robert or just Scully.  Either is fine.

=======================================================



> On Nov 5, 2025, at 10:32?PM, Jacques B. Siboni via The-lacanalyst <the-lacanalyst at lutecium.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert
> 
> (BTW how do you want to be called Robert? Scully? Tate?)
> 
> Thanks for the link to your paper, here are fast comments.
> 
> There is actually a major difference between France (and some other
> latin countries) and the USA (and the UK).
> 
> France's law is inspired by the Roman law and the Code Napol?on; US' law
> is inspired by the Common Law. The consequences are that US is using
> an accusation model and France an inquisition model. In the US I can
> accuse you of a fraud and go to trial (that's why PIs are so common
> in the US); in France I cannot accuse you of a fraud, I believe I have
> suffered of a fraud by you and therefore I transmit this belief as a
> complaint to the
> equivalent of your DA "le procureur de la R?publique", then he is the one
> who will ask the police department to conduct an inquiry (Officier de
> police judiciaire). Then he will decide, looking at the conclusions of
> the police what to do with the complaint.
> 
> Now how does this impact the praxis of psychoanalysis in these two
> countries? In the US it is pretty easy to accuse you of a misconduct
> as long as I have the money to hire the services of a PI. In France
> the procureur will first evaluate if the complaint is private or public.
> 
> If I am the client of a psychologist the procureur will check if my
> psychologist has the legal right to practice his psychotherapy (diploma
> and so on). If I am the analysand of a psychoanalyst the procureur will
> automatically decide that this is a PRIVATE matter and that he has no
> right to intervene.
> 
> Suppose I submit the following complaint; my wife dumped a piece of furniture
> I loved without asking this first, If I submit this complaint to the
> procureur he will dump the complaint! This is the same for psychoanalysis.
> I heard a judge explaining that in the course of a divorce the couple
> wanted the judge to decide of the rhythm of lodging for the dog! A dog
> is part of the furniture it's private.
> 
> To conclude when we put forward the concept and signifier of lacanalysis
> we expect to be as close as possible as this official practice of
> psychoanalysis in France. Some kind of private practice.
> 
> Le psychanalyste ne s'autorise que de lui-m?me et de quelques autres.
> Psychoanalyst receives authorization from himself and from a few others
> (his analysands)
> 
> To the best
> 
> Jacques
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Response to the Meeting on the title of the Analyst (11.5.25)
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 20:46:14 -0800
> From: Tate <tate at netwood.net>
> To: Jacques B. Siboni <jacsib at lutecium.org>
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Folks,
> 
> Being inspired by the brief discussion this early morning, I reopened a few parentheses on
> the /Freudian Thing /in the U.S. and France that I had been writing on:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JNeYzuHTk-TaBiy3W-MbWX7vjy6Vgb17XcKNAu6ef7k/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Anyone who cares to view or comment, the doc is open.
> 
> Truly
> 
> ScullyR.G.
> 
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