dear M Brenan One must absolutely direct oneself from the author towards his work, that is to say: it is because a creator possesses a given personality that he produces a given work. But never, amongst the characteris to say: it is because a creator possesses a given personality that he produces a given work. But never, amongst the characteristic specificities of a text to outline the psychological profile of an author and to draw a series of conclusions, in a dichotomy of various preaching. It would be vain to interpret the verses of Celan :"The black milk of dawn is drunk at sunset" as the gruesome representation of Auschwitz, the concentration camp where they were written; as also to call Ezra Pound a fascist as a consequence of a few interviews given during the war on Radio Rome where aesthetics and politics were cleverly blended. Poets( like Pound) are major, fully acknowledged or meteors, never prophetic.The advent of the Nazism was due in Germany to a need for a great spiritual leader, a sort of shepherd of the Germanic Soul. He was awaited in the work of the Romantics. Alas, the promised heaven turned into an apocalypse, the great leader into a bloodthirsty barbarian in the black masses of the holocausts. yes but i can also discours : "Pound was a Nazi, untalented, rabid, the antithesis of what has always been important to the Anglo-Saxon culture. Already young, he had indulged in sscathing attacks on the incomparably talented Milton because of "his beastly hebraism". His English is that of a boorish, boring, lower class unskilled worker & he would never have achieved the little fame he could book had it not been for Mussolini. Mind you, writers, included the brotherhood of poets, mus be accoutable for the misdeeds & not bask in their self-proclaimed genius." ? regards frans tassigny 2005/10/20, lutecium-group-request at lutecium.org < lutecium-group-request at lutecium.org>:

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1. Re: Ezra Pound (JBCM2 at aol.com) 2. scans du Malaise dans la culture (L T)

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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:16:58 EDT From: JBCM2 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Lutecium-group] Ezra Pound To: lutecium-group at lutecium.org Message-ID: <1a3.3eca538d.308811ca at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Please forgive the english.

It certainly is true that Pound was a fascist, if not in name then at least in spirit. And it's also true that the Pisan Cantos are dedicated to Mussolini, and there is also a favorable reference to Hitler. Any serious student or admirer of Pound has to take this into account, and one should not attempt to mitigate the consequences of such an enormous transgression.

It is also true, for me anyway, that Pound was the major poet of the 20th century. In addition to being an awesome innovator, he insisted that poetry should be a part of the most serious issues of the day. His achievement in writing poetry is second to no one, and he is at the center of most serious discussions about the role and the craft of poetry.

I don't think I necessarily agree that Pound's attraction to fascism was mainly due to aesthetic elitism. Personally, I've heard too much crap about elitism for my taste. To say that one value is better than another, or that one person is a better writer than another is not to engage in objectionable behavior. It's only when elitism is yoked with privilege that it becomes dangerous. Pound, unfortunately, was attracted to power -- and I think on a list such as this the obvious implications of such an attraction should not ignored.

joe brennan

They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose.

".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured

forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...."

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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:38:31 +0200 From: "L T" <lmmtbl at hotmail.fr> Subject: [Lutecium-group] scans du Malaise dans la culture To: lutecium-group at lutecium.org Message-ID: <BAY114-F27BE90C156E76F7BBC6FF0AC730 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"

Bonjour ? tous,

J'ai scann? le texte de la derni?re traduction du Malaise dans la culture aux PUF. Mais le robot de Lutecium ne le laisse pas passer ? cause de sa taille ( 5 mega ). Je propose ? ceux que ?a int?resse de le leur envoyer personnellement. Vous pouvez me contacter ? l'adresse ?lectronique suivante:

[1]lmmtbl at hotmail.fr <http://hotmail.fr>

Amicalement,

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